1. That Untitled Otherkin and Therian Site - Suggestions for Data?




    I don’t remember if I linked you these therian websites, but in any case:

    All the links under the “Den” and “Defunct” here: http://akhila.feralscribes.org/horizons/

    These are both personal websites with more articles, or community projects that host writings.

    My website itself has a ton of personal writings under “Echoes” and Croaks”: http://akhila.feralscribes.org/

    Everything under “Pawprints” are guest essays I’m hosting, which may also be of interest.

    Are you also interested in websites in other languages? I know a couple of French-speaking forums and blogs.

    I would be, thanks! I’ve currently logged a few non-english things, although I’m not sure what to do with them or how to integrate them yet…

    source: mikhto
  1. Thanks all for the feedback and suggestions!

    I will go through all the links you’ve given me (and if it’s currently out of the categories I’m working with, I’m keeping them for a possible later date :3)

  1. liongoatsnake:



    How are you going to / are you going to be including plantkin / phytanthropes? Traditionally, they have been included under otherkin sense the early 2000s.

    Interesting, I haven’t heard of them going that far back (but then again I don’t know much about them)… I have a hypothetical section for ‘non-sentient’ (Nxx), but it’s currently just a placeholder. I definitely wouldn’t put them in the same section as Mythics (unless there is some really strong indication that I’m unaware of that they should be).

    While those are planned things I might work on in the future, currently, I am only covering Mythics, Therio-Mythics, Therians and Real Vampires. I have 294 items of information in my database and I expect that number to rise somewhere between 350-400 and I need to make sure the current system and design scales well with what I have. (I’m currently having some problems :s)

    I’m also finding it hard to filter through the piles of info I’m checking through at the moment, which consists of things I don’t understand as much (which is to be expected since my realm of experience is really strictly in mythic/elven territory) so I have to try harder to make sure I’m checking over them correctly compared to mythic things.

    source: mikhto
  1. liryenenderea:



    “Give yourself permission to immediately walk away from anything that gives you bad vibes. There is no need to explain or make sense of it. Just trust what you feel.”

    — unknown  (via diveinme)

    I constantly worry that I am on the other end of this kind of advice - that people see me as “bad vibes” or “toxic” and suitable only to be walked away from and gotten rid of.

    Oh, goodness no! I see you as very helpful, articulate, and kind. You’ve taught me a lot about sort of expressing personal viewpoints in a more tactful way (I’m sure I don’t always, but oh well, Mercury in the 9th opposite Uranus knows no filter :p) and about not getting involved in dramas. 

    Wow, you’re totally not from the way I see you Arethinn. Pretty much what Liryen said :)

    source: x-fuck-the-world-x
  1. silveth:





    Do I have any followers who are too young to know what salad fingers is?

    Eh heh heh heh…I love Salad Fingers.

    Apparently I’m too old to know what Salad Fingers is. Maybe I don’t want to know.

    Is it a Spy Kids movie reference?

    Not something I’ve seen, so I wouldn’t know.

    I am not too old or too young to know what salad fingers is…

    source: battybatty
  1. liminalbeast:







    I’d like to get more people’s opinions on things like this, because it’s hard making my own decisions with things like these alone. Thanks for the feedback :D. (I could really use more of it if anyone else has any ideas/feedback/whatever :P)

    Where have you received feedback so far on the matter?

    I’d suggest trying the therian-specific forums too, which will give you a different ring than the otherkin resources or Tumblr (Tumblr is more otherkin-oriented, it’s the only place where I’ve seen a significant amount of therians use kin labels, so it’s not representative of the therian community as a whole).

    I’ve seen people comment on it favourably on the Werelist (therian forum). Some examples of comments:

    "I like it. I’ve never felt I sit quite right in either community. Too human to be therian, too animal and shifty to fit in with otherkin. I think it’s great and hope people (other than just me) pick it up."

    "Wow, this is actually a dilemma I’ve been dealing with recently and is a great solution to it. I echo other’s sentiments of feeling neither here nor there, so to speak, when it comes as identifying as either Otherkin or Therian, and it seems this word is a good mesh of the two. Either way, I’m probably going to start using it, as it fits so well."

    "There seems to be several therians who identify as a non-Earth based animal that is animalistic in nature and it appears that their needs aren’t necessarily being met on a therian site or on an Otherkin site for whatever reason."

    (From a non-mythic therian:)”The recent discussion about theriomythics, whose types are both mythological but feral, shows this. I also often find more similarities between me and a dragon or unicorn, than say, me and an elf.”

    I remember in a previous incarnation of the Werelist, we had a number of people who used mythic creatures as a shorthand for their identities, because they identified with two or more earth animals. There were several gryphons who fitted the description, for instance, and had little in common with the otherkin community beyond that.

    I’m afraid that categorizing “theriomythic” strictly under otherkin, it will kill the point of the label (because, then, why not just call oneself “mythic” and leave it at that). It may pigeonhole theriomythics in the otherkin community, when many interested in the label were actually seeking for a term that would not push them more to a side or the other.

    I’m not a theriomythic myself, so it’s not really my call, but since I’m the individual who brought “theriomythic” to the English-speaking community in the recent years to fill the gap, I’m following the discussions with some interest.

    *nods* I haven’t seen any discussion regarding the label, it’s useful seeing those and it makes the choice more obvious :). I’m tired of of things being stuck onto the ‘otherkin community’ so I think it would generally be a good thing. I don’t think there’s enough separation.

    Currently, I haven’t consulted outside of my Tumblr follower list, because I feel really dubious as to the quality of responses of things that I would get. For some weird reason it hadn’t crossed my mind to consult therian forums, I guess because I haven’t seen that much into therian spaces yet.

    Outside of therian spaces, I get the distinct impression that I’d be wasting my time in most cases. The only alive forum I can think of is OKC, and I imagine that i’d get more arguing and bullshit than any decent responses, but I might do it anyway just to see what happens. I’m also probably going to consult particular IRC channels that I’m on and can trust to provide meaningful feedback.

    I’ll be drafting a summary of the site and the categorisation system in it’s current state, along with potential options and some feedback questions and post it in a few places in the coming days.

    source: mikhto
  1. "

    People aren’t talkin about the news, they’re talking about what they think the news is. There is no news channel saying “This is what happened, draw your own conclusions.” We have made this country so bereft of critical thinking, that now we have a problem where we have to teach them to think for themselves.

    We have no unified authority, or problem solvers. We have congressman discussing environmentalism, when they don’t understand half the problems our earth is going through. We go to congress instead of going to people who have worked their whole LIFE trying to solve these problems. When it comes to racism, we’re asking a panel of white dudes, when it comes to sexism and woman’s rights we ask a panel of white priests on what they think. IT’S INSANITY! We ask people who are not in the arena they should be speaking in/for.

    AND THAT’S WHY WE DON’T trust the media, it’s because they’re not in the arena of black experience, and they don’t care about the black experience, UNTIL something bad happens and they have the tools to paint us as destructive, ugly and evil!

    The response of a Protester in Ferguson who was asked by a reporter as to why most of the protesters didn’t want their faces on tv.  (via sara-the-narco)
    source: sara-the-narco
  1. liminalbeast:



    Perhaps it would be best to not shove “Theriomythic” under Otherkin, but as something separate.

    A lot of people I’ve seen picked the term because they felt in-between/both therian and otherkin, and it’s a way not to pick side or to claim both identities.

    By putting “theriomythic” into “otherkin”, what it says is that theriomythics actually really are otherkin and not therians. That is unfortunate and it kills the point of the label.

    Otherwise, I would suggest that the category shows under both otherkin and therianthropy, if it can’t be a thing on its own.

    The decisions for the category heirachy atm usually aren’t etymological. The rationale behind this decision was based on words that people use. So, therio-mythic is a subcategory of otherkin insofar that they keep being referred to in a broader sense as ‘otherkin’ (in the mythic kind of way). It’s not intended to suggest that they have similarities or any common inheritance, it’s just that I don’t often hear people explicitly mention therio-mythics let alone them being their own thing in common parlance. I would agree that it would be best as a thing of it’s own, just from the general feel of it. Plus, I also realise that while it wasn’t my intention to categorise things in this way, and even if i wrote that clearly on-site, it’s possibly that people will still perceive it as such.

    It could be it’s own section. Last week, I felt it would actually be a good idea given what I had dug up in my research recently and I experimented with putting therio-mythic under it’s own category (Hxx), but I decided to put it back for the time being because I was unsure, and it would have taken a lot of effort giving the way things are currently tagged to integrate this. (I totally don’t mind doing it if I know for sure that therio-mythic should go in it’s own section..).

    I’d like to get more people’s opinions on things like this, because it’s hard making my own decisions with things like these alone. Thanks for the feedback :D. (I could really use more of it if anyone else has any ideas/feedback/whatever :P)

    source: mikhto
  1. silveth:



    I know you said “testing purposes only”, but just curious, what did you have in mind for “Mythic Otherkin > Legendary”? Is that things like dragons and other such critters? Same q. for “Humanoid, Removed” - removed from some other category, maybe?

    p.s., I get a “suspended” page on ok.com - I thought you or someone said in chat it had been renewed?

    I wasn’t quite sure myself to be honest, Dragon Code had a section entitled ‘Legendary’ for a few things like gargoyles, etc. That category has since been removed in this.

    'Humanoid, Removed' was a method of spreading out the humanoid category more. 'Removed' basically meant that from various myths that they derive from, they are usually in some way (in terms of philosophy, lifestyle, habitat, etc.) removed from humanity at large. So while they may be humanoid in appearance, in many myths that they come from (as far as I know) they always existed somewhere else than humanity at large. Like in norse myths, elves lived in a different world or in LoTR had their own distinct settlements, etc. Or most of them in this category in particular myths had deeper ties to and/or existence with nature which humans in the same myths tended to distinctly lack in comparison, but I am by no means an expert, and of course, this is going by more traditional interpretations. I know that vampire myths can also feature a detachment from humanity, but vampires usually have to mingle with humanity so they could suck their blood and so on and so forth.

    Also, I just ran another who.is check on ok.com - it’s still reserved. :s

    source: mikhto
  1. weker:



I’m just astounded that Yahoo is being used by people for something.

This was posted in 2005. All the yahoo mailing lists are pretty much dead now. :P High-res >




    I’m just astounded that Yahoo is being used by people for something.

    This was posted in 2005. All the yahoo mailing lists are pretty much dead now. :P

    source: mikhto
  1. Anonymous
    it might be a good idea to just ignore theangrylionshark from now on. they do a lot of identity policing and it's pretty gross, and bringing that onto this blog makes it seem sort of unsafe here. it's nothing against you guys, just that person.

    yeah, i. i’m a new mod but i’ve noticed theangrylionshark seems to have a lot of issues with otherkin who dont identify exactly how they feel they should.

    this is my own personal opinion, but i believe that being otherkin doesnt always have to mean identifyin 100% as something other than human. it definitely isnt just liking something or an animal, obviously, but it can be experienced in multiple ways. its not just liking something or even merely just a slight connection, but if someone feels genuinely and deeply connected to something to point of viewing it as an integral part of their identity, who am i to say they cant use the otherkin label just because they dont feel they are that thing completely and utterly?? if the label of otherkin makes them feel right and comfortable, thats none of my business.

    so long as they arent hurting anyone, i see no reason to hurt them.

    i urge all my fellow mods to avoid responding to theangrylionshark from now on.



    The word “otherkin” has had a set definition for over 20 years. You can either use it as defined or find a new term. It isn’t identity policing to uphold established terminology. People don’t get to re-define or ignore the given definition because they feel like it. It is damaging to the otherkin community as a whole to do so.

    Why are folks so attached to the label? If the original definition doesn’t fit, it shouldn’t be detrimental to find/create a new one. There’s nothing terribly special about being otherkin (unless someone’s passing out free cookies to otherkin and otherkin only then I suppose I can understand the motive).

    As much as I respect the motive of your blog, otherkinhelp, I can’t help but to agree that stretching the definition here is not helping. For one, the definition was not an opinion to begin with. Therefore, other opinions have no weight on that. Secondly, pulling the definition out this way is allowing the community as a whole to seem a lot more shallow than it really is. It’s a mature concept and it takes mature thought to finally realize that the label is appropriate. I expect people to jump into this in error only to find it didn’t fit and drop the label. What shouldn’t happen is for someone to take on the label in error and bend the definition to allow it to still work for them. I know this had been said before, but it should be noted that there are still plenty who agree with this notion other than theangrylionshark.

    Yeah, I’m confused about all the fuss surrounding this. Please, just go find another label or invent a new one if you really care about labels to begin with. It really shouldn’t be such a big deal.

    It’s not identity policing to stop a word’s definition from being pulled out of shape just because other people wanted to be that label so bad.

    There is nothing special about ‘otherkin’ or the otherkin ‘community’ (which actually isn’t even really a ‘community’, just a few groups of people who more often than not have surprisingly little in common with each other).

    It’s not acceptance or kindness to just give people what they want to hear or what makes them feel most comfortable.

    I would like to add while identifying as something isn’t the only way (there is a strong group from early beginnings that just treat it as a belief in nonhuman past lives and there are a group of people who take it in a more experiential form, so they don’t necessarily identify as totally, but they experience things in such a way that feels close to whatever thing it *is*), but this isn’t it, and the otherkin label is vague enough as it is, and it doesn’t give people a free pass to make it even more vague.